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Old Mar 21, 2009, 10:32 pm   #1
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Another installment of Morel Ramblings of a Madman

Ramblings of a Madman, the thought of prolonged cold produces good morel growth.
I find this disputable, based on a few regional facts;
1. Members here find morels in Georgia,Missouri,Kentucky,Tenn essee,Alabama,etc, based on their geographical location, lets face it, they do not have the prolonged cold winters we have here, say in Michigan,Wisconsin,Northern Indiana,Northern Illinois,etc.
But what they do have, before we do, is warm spring rains and consistent warm weather, where in we are still awaiting the spring thaw.
In my most humble opinion, I believe the late fall is key to the next years morel growth, this is when the food source of all shrooms is revitalized,the drop of leaf litter,twigs,branches,rotting plant growth from the forest floor etc,then the heavy rains of late fall, start the composting of these materials,then as the winter months progress the decomposition continues also,so that when the warm spring rains return, this intensifies the decomposition.
Then comes the spring warmth, this now accelerates the decomposition,and a tremendous amount of nutrients are now placed back into the soil.As long as the consistent rains and temps that morels need to flourish are sustained in the spring, they will flush, but if one key element like moisture or temp is missing, then the season will be minimal or semi standard, if anyone here can remember the 1983 year I believe, there were no morels period!!!! The early winter of 82 and the prolonged drought the following year from March thru August, left none to be found anywhere in the midwest. We here in Michigan, 3 years ago had slim pickings, due to an early dry period in spring, but morelers in southern states had good finds, due to continous rains .
Granted, snow is a form of moisture, but 6 inches of snow equals roughly about a little over an inch of rain,so even 12 inches of snow only equals about 2 inches of water,after the snow melts, without rain,2 inches of water in mid march, is not sufficient to sustain an extended morel season from blacks to yellows, without rain, the season begins to become a bust.the madman
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Ramble on Mike, Ramble on...... Your rambling is more of an education,, if you ask me. You make good sense.....
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By the way,,,,, I'm glad I wasn't hunting Morels yet in 1983... What a heart breaker...
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Ben, finally, someone besides me who remembers what rains were like, but are no longer a part of this day and age,mike
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Old Mar 22, 2009, 12:33 am   #5
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A great reply from a very knowledeable hunter and grower of shrooms, but my one question I ask of you greys, why the finds in the southern states, who have little snowfall and very little frost, what can cause their flush? I knew with this thread I would bring out the best thoughts of the board, so ramble on one madman to another,Lol mike
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Ramble on both of you... its fascinating stuff!
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An excellent reply from a man of knowledge of the forest and the lab, but may I ask you, what is the formula of food for the mycelium, outside of starches breaking down to sugars, that the yeast (morels) can live off of?
I know cellousive structure dissolving creates this food stream, or am I wrong? mike
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Old Mar 22, 2009, 1:35 am   #8
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But, is the main key then moisture? At the right time of the year?My field experience teaches me that moisture is the key, I've hunted many a dryaspen stand and find no blacks or pecks, but 2 weeks from them, after a good rain I find greys in amongst cottonwoods?
On the topic of natural contams, why is it I can find morels, in the same area that honies grow? If there is any more predatory fungi on other fungi, it is the Armillariellia, why would it not a attack and devour a simple life form such as yeast? Which is probably the most simplistic form of fungi,mike
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Old Mar 22, 2009, 1:52 am   #9
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Greys, my Bro, I got to go, can't keep the peepers peeping, need sleep, hope to carry on this conversation soon, I think it would be benificial to all board members here to continue our dialouge,and any input from Paul, Jason or Dave would help folks understand more,good night my friend,mike
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Wow this stuff is deep. If Miker's theory on the fall rains, and greys theory on harsh winters are correct, we should have a huge season here in northern IN and southern MI. The 7" monster rain event in September was the biggest rain event we have ever had, and temps in Nov, Dec, & Jan all well below normal with a -19 in Jan was the 2nd coldest temp ever @ South Bend. We have already had ample rains this spring with more forecast this coming week. The only barrier now could be a late harsh freeze like the one 2 years ago on Easter weekend. This year could be "The Big One", or the buster of the theories.
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